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Children need 'licks' not 'timeout'- Hon Neville A. Smith

- said while crime is everybody's business parents need to do their jobs
Deputy Speaker of the House of Assembly Honourable Neville A. Smith (AL) as he said while crime is everybody's business parents need to do a better job at monitoring and guiding their children. Photo: YouTube
Honourable Neville A. Smith (AL) has reasoned that the matter of the rising crime is also linked to ineffective methods of disciplining their children, such as time outs instead of lashes. Photo: parentskills.com
Honourable Neville A. Smith (AL) has reasoned that the matter of the rising crime is also linked to ineffective methods of disciplining their children, such as time outs instead of lashes. Photo: parentskills.com
DUFF'S BOTTOM, Tortola, VI- “When I was growing up I always remember if I go to school with a yellow pencil and I come home with a blue pencil or a grey pencil I get licks because my mother didn’t give me a green pencil or a blue pencil,” were some of the words of Deputy Speaker of the House of Assembly Honourable Neville A. Smith (AL) as he said while crime is everybody's business parents need to do a better job at monitoring and guiding their childr

The territory has been rocked with a rise in gun-related crimes of late, including the latest murder of Catherine Pickering of Paraquita Bay, who was shot during a robbery last Sunday, April 18, 2021.

'We men need to stand up!'

Honourable Smith, speaking at the Seventh Sitting of the Third Session of the Fourth House of Assembly (HoA) at Save the Seed Energy Centre in Duff's Bottom, Tortola, on Thursday, April 22, 2021, also called on men in the territory to play their part in moulding their children and added that institutions like the Attorney General’s Office and the courts should be strengthened because the prolonged periods on remand causes innocent young men to turn into criminals when they mingle with criminals at Her Majesty’s Prison in Balsam Ghut.

“We men need to stand up! We men need to stand up and be men and be fathers and do the right thing; for this to change, fathers need to stand up."

The At-Large Member also lashed out at parents who turn a blind eye to red flag behaviour by their children.

"Sometimes we as parents see our children come home with stuff, and we know we didn’t give it to them, but we still don’t ask questions. You might see your child come home on a scooter, you didn't buy him a scooter, you know your child not working but you not asking your child where he got this scooter from. These are the things that start, it starts small, and it becomes big,” Hon Smith pointed out.

Time out? Licks! 

Honourable Smith also reasoned that the matter of the rising crime is also linked to ineffective methods of disciplining their children, such as time outs instead of lashes.

He said he was privy to a radio conversation on child abuse, and in explaining what child abuse is, the conversers said: “if you lick a child and you see a welt on that child, that’s child abuse. So what you have to do is put him in a corner for time out. Mr Speaker, you see what we coming to? And then you asking why there is crime? When I was young I didn’t know what time out was, my time out was a belt, that’s what we used to get. If you realise where we are today, people saying is different times, it ain't no different times, we as parents need to do our jobs.”

48 Responses to “Children need 'licks' not 'timeout'- Hon Neville A. Smith”

  • VG (23/04/2021, 07:53) Like (93) Dislike (12) Reply
    100% agree with Hon. Smith.
  • Pulling Rabbit Out of Hats (23/04/2021, 07:56) Like (40) Dislike (58) Reply
    First it’s C**dy need a cut a** now it’s telling people how to raise their children.

    Stop pulling things out of a hat on what to say next.

    Everyone’s situation is different and licks does nothing! I can speak because I got licks as a child and it wasn’t for being rude but being imaginative and adventurous in play.

    Smith for crying out loud, study behavioral patterns, cause and effect, and the fact that there are children who actually listen, can dialogue, and understand why something should not be done.

    What was done in the past doesn’t mean it has to continue.
    • I would say this (23/04/2021, 09:46) Like (11) Dislike (1) Reply
      You sound like you have a personal problem with C...y. When you see her, why don’t you approach her and say how you feel about her to her face. I bet you would not do that you damn idiot.
    • josiah'sbay (23/04/2021, 09:54) Like (6) Dislike (49) Reply
      I agree with you 100%. A man in his position shouldn't be advocating for corporal punishment. It indicate frustration and I don't know what too do message. For me, I feel if you set a tone for physical abuse that's what you'll use. If you set the tone for dialog, understanding and comprehension that's what you'll use. Children adapt to both so it's actually your choice.
    • @ Pulling Rabbits Out of Hats (23/04/2021, 12:05) Like (4) Dislike (34) Reply
      Your comment proves Smith and others should not force their views about parenting on others.

      Every mentality and circumstances are different.
  • Ghost (23/04/2021, 08:01) Like (76) Dislike (6) Reply
    Hon. Smith.. I applaud you a1000%. Not a 100.. yes we as parents at times turn a blind eye to what our children are doing.. the other day I was teaching mine what God’s Word said about using the rod and not sparing the child. proverbs 24:. 24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.. we are to discipline our children.. I never believed in this nonsense about “time out”..foolishness in my opinion..with mine I would speak twice and a third never came to speak for the belt was coming.. also A look was more than sufficient as well.. in the US children would call CPS (child protective services) but trust me if they called, I would beat them just for calling.. at times we are too lenient with them.. no one is saying abuse them for this is wrong on all fronts but we have to discipline them in a way that they grow up with the right morals and doing the right thing. And we have to also stay on our knees as parents praying for our children to keep them out of the grasp of the enemy.. so yes Hon. Smith I am with you on this..
    • US (23/04/2021, 09:40) Like (38) Dislike (3) Reply
      I ALWAYS TELL MY DAUGHTER IF SHE CALL CPS
      ON ME FOR ANY REASON, ONCE SHE IS REMOVED FROM THE HOME, THERE IS NO WAY SHE CAN COME BACK TO THE HOME. MOMMY WILL BE HOME IN THE NICE HOME THAT I PROVIDED AND SHE WILL BE IN A FOSTER HOME CRYING. IT IS CALLED TOUGH LOVE.
    • really?? (23/04/2021, 10:57) Like (27) Dislike (2) Reply
      while I agreed that licks is not always the answers, sometimes a good ole cut a.. is what they need. These children did not just become what they are overnight. Some parents wants to be their children's friends and don't discipline them in any shape or form and haven forbids someone else does. Fathers need to step up to the plate also, because single women are trying to raise men and it takes a man to raise a man. Monkey see Monkey do!!

      On the other hand they are individuals and have their own minds. No matter how they were raised does not mean they will do the right or moral thing. Too many outside influences than when Neville was growing up.
    • Lucy (23/04/2021, 15:48) Like (4) Dislike (2) Reply
      I am with you as well.
  • mad max (23/04/2021, 08:07) Like (40) Dislike (31) Reply
    Sometimes this place is so backward smh. Honesty should not be beaten into children. Lead by example!
    • Real (23/04/2021, 09:41) Like (6) Dislike (0) Reply
      U missing the point
      • mad max (23/04/2021, 17:35) Like (6) Dislike (5) Reply
        Am I? Maybe that's why they are so violent because they got "licks" at home and that's the only way they know how to solve their problems!
  • licks (23/04/2021, 08:09) Like (53) Dislike (8) Reply
    Absolutely... cut dem baxide
  • Agree. Makes Sense (23/04/2021, 08:55) Like (13) Dislike (12) Reply
    Hon Smith. I am in agreement with everything u say...I will add these magistrates used the toughest part of the law to purnished young me for simple crimes, sometimes first gime offenders. I wonder if they have a hate or bad experiences for men or with men growing up...They need to see themselves as parents and not just been harsh and tough all the time..
  • facts (23/04/2021, 09:02) Like (28) Dislike (1) Reply
    YOU ALL KNOW THIS PROBLEM EXIST FROM THE GET GO. THIS IS NOTHING NEW. SOCIETY TURNS A BLIND EYE TO EVERYTHING UNTIL SOMEONE OR THEIR FAMILY MEMBER HIGH IN SOCIETY GETS KILLED THEN THEY TRY TO COME AND SPEAK OUT AFTER THE DEED IS ALREADY DONE. PARENTS PLAY A BIG PART IN HOW OUR CHILDREN ACT, TAKE FOR INSTANCE A TEACHER COMPLAIN TO THE PARENTS ABOUT THEIR CHILD BEHAVIOUR AND WHAT DOES THE PARENTS DO CUSS OUT THE TEACHER INFRONT OF THE CHILD. AS PARENTS THEY WANT TO BE THE CHILDS BEST FRIEND AND NOT A PARENT AND THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN CHILDREN HAVING CHILDREN. MY CHILD CAN'T COME HOME WITH ANYTHING AND I DONT NOTICE. IN TODAY'S SOCIETY WE NEED TO BE VIGILANT.
  • Sam (23/04/2021, 09:10) Like (29) Dislike (6) Reply
    Licks them need yes. I agree with you Sheep.
  • I agree (23/04/2021, 09:11) Like (29) Dislike (5) Reply
    you need to put the fear into them. that way they will behave when you tell them to. some of them too out of place.
  • parent (23/04/2021, 09:14) Like (38) Dislike (3) Reply
    I am in agreement 100% with mr. Smith. I am one of those parents if one of my children act the fool, I will roast them on their behinds with a belt. I am not going to harm or kill them with a few lashes on their behinds with a belt. My children knows that mommy is not going to tolerate any talking back, sucking their teeth and being sassy to their elders.
  • No (23/04/2021, 09:38) Like (10) Dislike (10) Reply
    We need to stop this mentality. It's gotten us nowhere. In the UK, black west indians have the highest rates of schizophrenia, do you think that's by chance?

    Beating children for everything just fosters an environment of fear and violence. If you show kids that the answer to everything is a belt is it so hard to believe they would become adults who believe a gun is the solution?

    Time out might not be the answer either as that just teaches kids that the solution to bad behaviour is to withhold human interaction. This just leads to cold and distant adults.

    Kids need guidence. Parents need to actually take the time to talk to their kids and help them work through their problems. Show some mercy and understanding so they can become empathetic human beings.

    If you don't want your kids to steal and they come home with items that don't belong to them, explain to them that stealing is wrong and why. Then ensure that they give the items back and apologize, take them to school or wherever so you can actually see that they did it. Praise them for doing the right thing because you want them to fell good about correcting their mistakes. This encourages them to take the initiative to try again and make things right. If you make an environment where they're afraid of making mistakes then they'll just become good liars who act one way in front their parents and another in front society. Keep doing this as many times as needed. Ignoring problems and not following through just makes them think it's okay and beating them just messes up their emotional growth.

    I've met a lot of old people who are basically sociopaths and they don't even realise it. They think a lot of abuse is okay. When you see women taking slaps from their husband I'm willing to bet their fathers beat them which is why theu don't think they deserve better. When you see men slapping down their wives I'm willing to bet they hate their mothers because she beat them.

    Let's end this bs and try something else.
  • Rod of correction (23/04/2021, 09:41) Like (6) Dislike (1) Reply
    Is better than losing them young in the street. If they don’t learn from who give them life, then law enforcement will give discipline.
  • Vigilate (23/04/2021, 09:47) Like (6) Dislike (4) Reply
    Legacies of enslavement. No amount of reparation can fix that level of ignorance in high places.
  • jus sayin (23/04/2021, 10:23) Like (8) Dislike (1) Reply
    Well yes i cant say @ times they dont need cut a** buh we also as parents need to find out what they thinking bout & wats goin on inside sum kids need help...not jus beat dem...its like we still living in slavery dats wat we learn beat em..buh da came from our past 4 fathers & the master they had...tie dem to a tree or sum ting & beat em.... like dem dont care so i think we all shud look @ other ways when i come to the kids cuz dem is the future
  • The TRUTH (23/04/2021, 10:50) Like (18) Dislike (2) Reply
    This aint America. Children must be disciplined or pay the cost later on.
  • What? (23/04/2021, 11:13) Like (17) Dislike (1) Reply
    Growing in the BVI, I was beaten (not simply spanked) by relatives, some of those relatives in my opinion had personality disorders so it was plain and simple ABUSE. I grew up to be more than okay, not because of those BEATINGS, but because after I moved away from the BVI as a teen, I found caring adults at my church and school who I could talk to and who encouraged me. When I did something wrong, they counselled me verbally on what was wrong with what I did, and taught me other avenues to take. It hurt me more than any beatings to disappoint those individuals who counsel me in caring and loving ways. The majority of the parents in the BVi are not equipped to discipline children in lovings ways so the beatinings turn into yelling and shouting while BEATING..its a generational thing and it needs to stop.

    The real Problem in the BVI is that some of those children especially the young men, have learning disabilities or rather learn differently. Neither the schools nor the parents are given the tools to address these issues. Therefore they manifest themselves in what looks like a behavior problem. HOW DO YOU BEAT THAT OUT OF THE CHILD'S DNA? You cannot, but the adults at home and at school can learn how to teach and work with the child according to their style of learning and not treat them like outcasts. In the long run you will get a more loving and productive adult. BVI has become this society of haves and have nots. Egos and politics aside, work on a better school system to include better options in alternative education. Solutions rather than encouraging child abuse. Enough of the adults in society see things the way they do because of their own sexual and physical abuse that has gone unaddressed and this is also what you see in today's youth. Find solutions not create more problems.
    • Really (23/04/2021, 13:48) Like (2) Dislike (0) Reply
      well said
    • @what? (23/04/2021, 16:52) Like (1) Dislike (1) Reply
      Well said! Focus on EDUCATION and care! So many of the comments from the public on many of the news articles these days are crying out for a better education system. We can do this. We have the means. Lets give our children the care and nurturing they need and deserve. Say it again because Sowande might not be able to hear us he is standing so far back..... EDUCATION! EDUCATION! EDUCATION!
  • Jane (23/04/2021, 11:28) Like (5) Dislike (5) Reply
    By the same logic does Honorable Smith beat his wife with a belt? Is this acceptable? Of course not. Violence begets violence and the only lesson you teach a child by physically assaulting them is to teach them that might is right, and its wrong. BVI children have had their lives in disarray since Irma, suffering mental trauma with no counselling in a wider community of adults also suffering mental trauma, with part time / no time education in tents / old DIY store. They need love and understanding not the belt. We have a generation of children (yes 17 year olds still children) and they have been told to "zip up their man suits and get on with it" and we wonder why we have the trouble we have with this young generation.
  • The Watcher (23/04/2021, 11:36) Like (6) Dislike (7) Reply
    wow....so much dinosaur thinking out there in the BVI Love....beat them into submission - what could go wrong?
  • Agree (23/04/2021, 11:46) Like (5) Dislike (2) Reply
    USA use the time out to discipline their kids but guess what? Their kids speak to them horribly. Calling them b**** and answering back. Yet we want to use the same disciplinary method. Is it working in the US? All of us grown adults got our behinds whooped and it kept us on the straight and narrow. Today look at us now. Did we become abusers? No! But we have kids that are well behaved and doing good in school. Some children know what they could get away with and they do because they have parents who gave a lot of problems in school. Who didnt want to be disciplined by the teacher.
    • Yes (23/04/2021, 13:28) Like (4) Dislike (0) Reply
      Some of you are abusers (physically, emotionally, and mentally) to girlfriends, husbands and wives, cheats, steals, kills, berates each other and your children, etc. You maybe the exception but not all were left unscathed. You may not take the time to analyze your behavior and connect the dots, but trust me, it all ties back to what happened to you at home in your formidable years. Quite a few adults working in government and service industry in the BVI from all over the carribbean (BVI people included) behave unruly. That didn't happen over night. That's deeply buried childhood abuse rearing its ugly head. I was there once, took a lot of theraphy and self examination for me to see the light. Stop abuse children/sowing bad seeds and be open to other position uplifting options.
  • Rubber Duck (23/04/2021, 11:58) Like (12) Dislike (6) Reply
    Stupid. Violence breeds violence. Children imitate. You hit them, they hit others. Children do not need to be hit to teach them how to live. Teach them by example.
    • @rubber duck (24/04/2021, 22:52) Like (0) Dislike (1) Reply
      You truly should not be given anyone any advice on here...which one of your parents thought you to be a racist between time-outs? It seem you had some of the worse parents ever!
  • hmm (23/04/2021, 12:21) Like (1) Dislike (3) Reply
    SHEEP WILL MAKE A BETTER POLICE RATHER THAN A POLITICIAN
  • the bible (23/04/2021, 12:23) Like (12) Dislike (6) Reply
    "spare the rod and spoil the child"
    • WHAT!!! (23/04/2021, 13:33) Like (3) Dislike (4) Reply
      @ the bible “ women must not talk in church” “must not eat anything out the sea that is not a fish” and much more nonsense.
  • WHAT!!! (23/04/2021, 13:23) Like (11) Dislike (5) Reply
    And April is Child Abuse Awareness Month. Teach by kindness not physical abuse.
  • smfh (23/04/2021, 13:58) Like (5) Dislike (5) Reply
    That’s real. This new generation training men to be feminine and lacking morals and respect. Bravery is now coming out after 60 yrs that you want to buy a pair of tits and wear a dress. People get outraged by simple words like fat.
  • Caribbean People (23/04/2021, 16:12) Like (7) Dislike (3) Reply
    I think most of you who are talking about child abuse is missing the point. In no way or form did he say "abuse your child" but a good cut a** never hurts. Most of us grew up on getting licks when we were disobedient and yes some of us may have been abused because our parents didn't really know when enough was enough, but I'm sure we ourselves as parents today, can cut our children a**es without crossing that line. The thing is when we don't and the children disrespect us in public some of you may be the same ones to say "that child is so rude or that parent can't control their child". We just need to be real in these times. But every parent has a choice on how they choose to discipline and raise their child or children. So TO EACH HIS OWN!!!!!
  • down2earth (23/04/2021, 23:17) Like (1) Dislike (0) Reply
    Pushing this "abuse agenda" is geared towards mis-educating a particular race. It's like when we were told eating chocolate would bring boils in one's face. Now, the darker the chocolate the better it is for your health! When one race commits a crime, it's because his mother did not let him suck enough. But, when the skin is dark, it's he is a cruel animal. It's in his genes! I'm sure you can think of many others along this line. Our children used to behave too good - "good morning", "excuse me please", "thank you".

    They have us where they want us! CONFUSED and behaving like them! We took something designed for evil and used it to mold a beautiful and proud race!
  • Tracey (24/04/2021, 11:55) Like (3) Dislike (2) Reply
    This is very stone age and in many other countries illegal, look all the domestic violence problems we have in the BVI that is brushed under the carpet. If you are raised in a a family where domestic violence occurs then this becomes normal and the violence continues through the generations. Just ask the FSN.
    Instead of beating children, take away screens, talk to them and give them the love they deserve. While I agree way too many kids running around with no father figure, and the mentality of sowing the seed is strong don't reproduce if you cant at least offer love and a safe home.
    I couldn't believe my eyes when i saw a local lady slapping her 4 year old son around the head in a local supermarket, the child was so young and helpless. I wanted to slap the mother around the head, this is called bad parenting. Often parents take out their frustrations of a bad day out on their kids.
    Be patient, kind show love and lead by example, its not rocket science.
  • Servant of the Most High God in Christ Jesus (24/04/2021, 13:05) Like (1) Dislike (0) Reply
    LICKS CAUSE PAIN, BUT IT CANNOT ALTER AN EVIL MINDSET. IF LICKS HAVE THE ABILITY TO CHANGE FOR GOOD, WHY THEN IS EVIL EXPANDING IN OUR MIDST. THE EVIL THAT THE YOUTHS DO WERE CHANELED FROM ADULTS TO THEM.
    YOU MAY OR MAY NOT ACCEPT THE FOLLOWING: THE JUDGEMENT OF GOD IS UPON THE B.V.I. IT WILL CONTINUE FOR AS LONG AS WE, AS A PEOPLE CONTINUE ON THIS IGNORANT, ARROGANT, PRIDEFUL, NEGLECTFUL, AND SELF RIGHTEOUS PATH.

  • Discipline (24/04/2021, 16:07) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    Don’t get it twisted.

    If you were disciplined for wrong doing you knew the difference between that an abuse.

    Discipline a child with licks does not equal abuse.

    You don’t need to do it often because your word carries weight.

    Better to get licks young than to get time in jail later for lack of discipline. Discipline not fairytale guidance where you get to continue doing wrong while they pray you stop.

    When they reach adulthood and do wrong there’s no more guidance only authority. introduce them to reality to protect them.

    Truth is those children who are up and down with no one to make them stay home no one to show them they are under a father or mother are the ones that end up threatening people. The ones that don’t get beat, from the good homes end up taking more than what they don’t need.
  • goat (25/04/2021, 04:02) Like (1) Dislike (0) Reply
    Why is sheep talking about licking children in the middle of Child Abuse Awareness Month. He needs to be mindful of what comes out of his mouth.....like what he said before, ain't got no poor people here in BVI.
  • Servant of the Most High God in Christ Jesus (25/04/2021, 19:27) Like (1) Dislike (0) Reply
    Imagine this? Why think we can beat righteousness into unrighteous children, when the fact it could not be beating into us. Who is the he or she that is guiltless, and do not now need a licking from God, that you now deserve? Disappline cannot be beatting into humans beings. Its a spiritual thing, not a physical thing. Lead by example. Humans are like a lie e of iron the you and I can beat straight. Our minds are not made of mechanical matter.

  • Bigekon (28/04/2021, 16:32) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    You think beating children is going to serve the crime problem,are you a Moron ?!! I know people that was getting beat every day and turned in stone killers !


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