Another local family allegedly ordered off beach
Relating to Virgin Islands News Online how it all went down, Mrs Myrtle L. Stoutt-Fraites said it was on Sunday January 8, 2017 that the family was observing the birthday of her late father, Mr W.W. Warren Stoutt.
“…and the children and grandchildren organised a get together and after we were finish with our ceremony of laying our wreath at his grave, we went to the beach in Little Apple Bay where we all grew up and where we all swam all our lives,” said Mrs Stoutt-Fraites.
The confrontation
The woman claimed that while on the beach, the owner/manager of Sugar Mill Hotel and restaurant told them they could not sit on the chair, use the hammock and allegedly even asked the children to come out of the water.
“But sweetheart he didn’t have a warm time because I and my siblings and my nieces and my grandchildren we were on him like white on rice, the only thing we didn’t do was to slap him and my husband restrained me from doing that because I was about to give him couple blows,” the business woman related with no regrets.
She continued, “I asked him where the hell were you when my father, my brother, myself and my siblings were dredging this hole and taking rocks out of the beach, when we plant the coconut trees that he had his hammock hung on, the almond trees that shade that beach where was he?”
Refusing to be budged
According to the woman, the family refused to comply to the manager’s orders and consequently he allegedly took the hammock off the pole while one of them was still in it. “So, they got up off of that but we got up off of nothing else and did not leave that beach until 8:30 P.M.”
“The other thing he told us is that we must go to Cane Garden Bay and swim….. but he lucky my brother wasn’t there because somebody would have been in the morgue and the other in prison because when my brother came and went to look for him he went in and never came back out.”
This news site was told by Mrs Stoutt-Fraites that she or any of her family members never experienced such treatment on Tortola before. “Never in the history of Tortola. We had white neighbours, over and over and over, Patrick was the last manager before him and Patrick became our brother. We got along very well without any difficulty.”
The woman said she has heard about people being chased off beaches especially on Virgin Gorda but she was not prepared to be disrespected in her own country and stood her ground.
It is our information that a complaint was lodged with Deputy Premier and Minister for Natural Resources and Labour Honourable Kedrick D. Pickering (R7) who we understand promised to speak with the hotel owner.
Mrs Stoutt-Fraites also said the Premier’s Office was informed on the matter. “…they have to know how serious I am, that’s how angry I am.”
This news site made several attempts to reach the Manager of Sugar Mill Hotel and Restaurant but each time we were told to call back as he was not available.
Similar complaints
It was on Saturday January 7, 2017 that a local family was also allegedly asked to leave a certain beach area on Peter Island.
The family from Jost Van Dyke said they went to the island with a private boat and was subsequently approached by a manager of the Peter Island Resort who allegedly being told they had to move to another area.
“He told us we had to move to an area in front of the restaurant because they have an area for non-designated guests. I have never heard that before in my life. He told us we have to sit in-front of the restaurant. I have been going to that island for over ten years and never heard such a thing,” a Mrs Galloway told this news site.
Another local family also complained that they were denied use of the ferries to get to Peter Island and Scrub Island to enjoy the beach.
According to law, beaches in the Virgin Islands (VI) should be accessible to the public to the high-water mark.
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I will have popcorn and beer for sale!
They even have a wire across the bay to prevent boats from getting in the bay....
We can go there any time we want, but we can't use the hotel equipment. The chairs and hammock are owned by the hotel and as such are private property, designated for use by hotel guests.
If the owner/manager wants to argue that we can't access the beach from the gate at the road, then climb over the little sea wall by the rocks on the West side of the restaurant, and walk around to the beach. The rocks were placed by man, not God and are inside the high water mark.
If he decides to pursue this questionable line of "ownership" of the beach, I think a whole bunch of us should make a point of going there this weekend to help the new owner/manager understand our laws better.
No one thought blacks was going to take over anything. Obama has proven that you can't stop an intellectual black man. None white or black will be like him. He has demonstrated that regardless of skin colour, you can lead effectively like anyone else with equal opportunity. Tell them to release all our black men from prisons that are there falsely, that are there for petty crimes, tell them let us be free to procreate without the imposed Planned Parenthood in our black neighbourhoods, and watch and see if the browns and the blacks wouldn't make America great like it was in the beginning -- Indians and blacks living side by side peacefully. These f**ging cave-mongers who all they do is steal from a particular group, always in somebody's space creating havoc. Any more Mugabe's, Fidel and Kadafi out there? Send their spirit to the BVI. The show has started...
one correction- Planned parenthood is not imposing any abortion edict on users. That is only 3% of their total service.
They provide healthcare for the poor, cancer screening, and are treated like a clinic. It is stupid that people don't see its ultimate value. If you don't want an abortion, don't get one. But if someone was raped, or is too young and the life of the mother or baby is in trouble, or a 7th child before the age of 30 and you are mentally unstable or baby is handicapped, wouldn't you want the option? Otherwise, society would have to take care of them, burden the mother who can't get her education or take care of the rest of her family.
It is not to be used as birth control itself. That is hideous. But they also educate so pregnancy won't happen.
seems something needed here.
Fellow 1st District People, I say let us all get together and have a HUGE BEACH PARTY there this week end, Saturday and Sunday. Who worship on Saturday, ayou come Sunday. Bring a dish everybody. Who have music, bring that too. We going party like it still Christmas.
Bring plenty beach chairs and hammock. We going hang them up on Myrtle and her family trees. Bring plenty rope also because we might need them to put up the hammock and tie up a few.
Who don't have bathing suit come with your short pants and T-Shirts. Furthermore, all other Districts are invited as well. I feeling to PAAARRRTTTYY.
I wish I could come but I'm not on island.
I have heard white guests ask the Manager (on another island) to get the black people off the beach.
They don't want to be on the beach with you.
They will put up a fence next.
Trespassing and then threatening someone doing their job and saying they'd have been happy to physically harm them.
You're allowed to use the beach up to the high tide mark. I can guarantee you that the chairs, hammock and trees are well above the high tide mark, so you're trespassing and claiming that being BAHN HERE allows you to do so.
@Hmm
I am from West End, Born and Bred and PROUD. I too use that beach on many occassions, but let them come.
As it is you are the one who is trespassing and they need to revoke your work permit with immediate effect. They are HIGHLY out of place ordering those kids to come out of the water. He needs p**s*g on. As far as I see they are the ones who have their chairs, hammock and the like on Government property as the high tide mark makes it way all the way ACROSS the street to the actual hotel. Government needs to tell them take up their belongings off the high tide mark. Bunch of apartheid seekers. Trump's win in America swell their heads and have them thinking they can do whatever they want all over the world. Myrtle you are indeed a charming lady. You are one of BVI's finest. Hold your head high and stand your ground. Your father helped to build this nation and was indeed a VERY kind and humble man, but don't you just comers take liberty to step on us like that.
Going to OUR beaches to celebrate holidays and other family occasions are a part of who we are. We were here long before they arrived like Christopher Columbus who claimed he discovered. Let them SCATTER!!!!!!!!!!!!
But at the end of the day, its the Government of the past allowed all this FOOLISHNESS. Not being political now, but back in those days we needed greater insight to prevent what is happening now.
Ayo SCATTER, SCATTER, SCATTER!!! WHO VEX, VEX!!!!!!!
Your ears so big and you didn't hear me say SCATTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If your eyes ain't no use PLUG them.
These English people that come to live amoung us need to show respect or leave.
and I will continue to do so.
Do not believe everything you read on Trip Advisor , good or bad , because anyone can post anything there and that story is non sense. But if you want to believe that read also the numerous 5 star reviews of the hotel.
The Manager concerned, and what about your behaviour to Mr. Warren's children and grand-children? Mr. Warren chased off congoes and pulled off big rocks to help create that beach. You see, not a word he breathed about that aspect. Don't mass our corns, meh son.
We are residents of BVI and regular visitors to Islands restaurant at Sugar Mill. We went for lunch today. When we arrived, a table of 5 people was already seated. The table consisted of 4 middle age people and an elderly woman. The next thing we know the owner comes up and says to the table "get out and never come back". Apparently there was a situation the night before. We have no idea as to the details, but the owner's actions were disgusting. He walked away and then one minute later walked back and said "I will punch your lights out. Get out". Meanwhile the elderly woman said "I am trying to leave as fast as I can" as she clearly was struggling to get up. The staff, who are fantastic, looked on in shock.
I have never seen anything more offensive in the hospitality service. I have no idea what happened the night before, but whatever it was, nothing, absolutely nothing, excuses the new owner's disgusting ugly behaviour. I have never been so offended, and we were just observers!
We cannot recommend Islands or Sugar Mill under this new owner.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gTbGkop7mss
Cant believe her family expirence!! ,this damn man work permit needs to be pull
you are not it. get your own identity. I don't necessarily agree with your opinion either.
beaches public yes. Using a resorts resources and chairs no. It is trespassing.
I would have at least had the courtesy to let them know my family was coming.
the beach is really small anyway. The original owners (jinx) are the ones who put the money into it.
but rather whereby when the sea reaches it higest point at extreme high tide or whereby vegetation starts which
ever comes first.
But the lack of enforcement is the problem. Until a white man or woman get some good licks from a black man it will never change.
I am the person who spoke with the people on the beach.
The people concerned were about 30 in number. On the top part of the beach at Apple Bay are luxurious cushioned chairs and cabanas paid for and maintained by the hotel. The people concerned had taken over the loungers, apple cabanas and hammocks which are the private property of the hotel. They were lying on the hotels cushions. There was food and drink spread around on some of the loungers which were being used as picnic tables. They did not ask anyone if they might do this and when asked to vacate the private chairs and cabanas refused to do so. The response of some of them, not all, was abusive and aggressive telling me to "get back to South Africa" [ i am not from South Africa].
They claimed that because the chairs and cabanas were on a public beach it was their right to be able to use them. I pointed out that it is common for people to have private loungers etc on public beaches and gave the loungers on Cane Garden Bay as an example. I did not tell them to go to Cane Garden Bay. I also pointed out that cars on public roads are still private property even if they are in a public space. I also pointed out that people who brought their own chairs and loungers to public beaches had the right to private use of them. They had brought some coolers to the beach and I pointed out that because the cooler was on a public beach it did not mean that anyone could just use it.
At no point did i order the people to leave the beach. I asked them to show some respect for the hotel property and to at least have the manners to ask if they could use the beach furniture. It was late afternoon and we were about to put the cushions, hammocks etc away for the night. I asked the people in the hammocks to vacate them so we might do so. They initially refused but then did so. I then put the hammocks away. We left the cushions there until the party left the beach.
At no point was there any physical contact and there was no danger of any violence form me although two of the older females in the party were extremely aggressive and abusive. The comments above made by the party concerned about slaps and blows and someone coming looking for me are indicative of their attitude.
Although the beach is public property the hotel maintains the beach, removes rocks and seaweed, sargasso weed and so on at its own expense for public enjoyment.
You may have also seen that we now light the beach and sea at night .
We have never asked anyone to leave the beach. The beach furniture occupies only the first 6-10 feet of the beach space from the road. There is plenty of space for enjoyment of the rest of the beach and the sea itself.
The people concerned maintain that because private property is on a public beach they have the right to use it. If that is going to be the case then no one is going to provide furniture on public beaches. And as all beaches are public there would be no beach furniture for hotel guests and tourists to use anywhere in the BVI. But beach furniture is a vital part of attracting tourists. If they are right it means that when you take your personal chairs to the beach anyone has the right to use them.
It seems obvious that private property in a public space still remains private property. But for the avoidance of doubt perhaps the government should issue a ruling on the matter.
It's fairly clear that the "lady" if you can call her that, is just playing the race card because she's argumentative and knows she and the rest of her party were in the wrong.
You get good eggs and bad eggs everywhere but the whole 'I'm bahn here and the sence of intitlement is deffinatly a downfall for the BVI, even when compaired to other islands in the caribbean......ignorant over intergrity is definately the BVI way!!!
WHERE DO YOU GO TO COMPLAIN THAT THEY DONT GET THEIR FULL TIPS?? WHERE DO YOU GO AND ACTUALLY SEE ACTION BEING DONE??
Over ten thousand people had dinner at the Sugar Mill in our first year of ownership. In that time we banned only one party of 5 people from the restaurant. They were banned because they were loud , abusive, probably drunk and disruptive to other guests. They reduced the waitress to tears and the manageress almost to tears. Four of them were younger and one of them was older. The older person was not involved in the incident but left with rest of the party. No one pushed her or anyone else. And to be clear the people concerned here were white.
I wonder what can have this ....believing he can treat indigenous natives like that? Probably think he own the government....OH WAIT?
Unless of course you are carrying a grudge because you didnt make the grade
Each negative post you receive on Trip Advisor, you respond with your piss poor attitude in an attempt to embarrass the former guest. You have issues! Be conscious of how you speak to people.
100 thousand sailors can't be wrong. Everyone is commenting on your past behavior.
But, YOU come on here trying to sound like a saint.
That only tells us you're a sociopath. Get Help!
No manners and behave like a schoolyard bully.........my way or the highway attitude !
Ya think? Exactly!
But that's his NOT so subtle way of commandeering the beach, as if
AN UPRISING IS COMING THE GOVERNMENT WILL NOT LAST! MARK MY WORDS THE HAMMER IS FALLING!!
I hope most understand that this behaviour is upsetting to everybody who resides in the BVI. There are many of us who have lived here for decades peacefully with respect and appreciation for the people and culture of the BVI. This particular individual has not made a good name for himself in the local community (more obviously), or the expat community. I find most of the comments on this thread justifiable, however, I hope that things do not get carried away due to the bad judgement of one person who does not typify the mentality of most of us who are thankful to be here and be part of your community.
An appreciative long term (white) expat
Remember every family every race every country has ignorant people. Picket the establishment if you choose but don't punish every expat for one bad apple. We as BVIslanders have a long history of being loving and warm people, this is why some Expats move to the BVI after just one land trip or single cruise.
Thank you "White Expat" for your post. Brothers and Sisters let's continue to engage in civil conversation with one another. Matter of fact shame the manager by insisting he have tea with you or the Stoutts. We don't know the source of that man's anger he is carry around or history and one of us can be the one to help him let go of whatever heavy burden or neglect that has left him with this deep scar of anger. I am sure it has absolutely nothing to do with any of us..maybe lack of love as a child...show him love until he cries and change his ways! That is what God does for us every day that he allows us to wake up in the morning in spite of our ourselves, even the miserable ones among us..He just keeps loving us and waiting patiently for us to change our bad ways.