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‘A police officer cannot have total immunity acting under a warrant’- Hon Fraser

- said Police Act, 2019 belongs in public domain for consultations
Opposition Member, Hon Julian Fraser RA (R3) has disagreed with a clause in the Police Act, 2019 which seeks to grant immunity to police officers acting under a warrant. Photo: VINO/File
Another heavy legislation, the Police Act, 2029, is being debated in the House of Assembly (HoA), and according to senior legislator and Opposition Member, Hon Julian Fraser RA (R3), such a weighty bill that has a lot of concerns should be given public consultations. Photo: YouTube
Another heavy legislation, the Police Act, 2029, is being debated in the House of Assembly (HoA), and according to senior legislator and Opposition Member, Hon Julian Fraser RA (R3), such a weighty bill that has a lot of concerns should be given public consultations. Photo: YouTube
Minister for Education, Culture, Youth Affairs, Fisheries and Agriculture, Dr the Hon Natalio D. Wheatley (R7) has agreed with Hon Julian Fraser RA (R3) that the bill, 'Police Act, 2019, needs public consultation. Photo: YouTube
Minister for Education, Culture, Youth Affairs, Fisheries and Agriculture, Dr the Hon Natalio D. Wheatley (R7) has agreed with Hon Julian Fraser RA (R3) that the bill, 'Police Act, 2019, needs public consultation. Photo: YouTube
DUFF'S BOTTOM, Tortola, VI- Another heavy legislation, the Police Act, 2019, is being debated in the House of Assembly (HoA), and according to senior legislator and Opposition Member, Hon Julian Fraser RA (R3), such a weighty bill that has a lot of concerns should be given public consultations.

Minister for Education, Culture, Youth Affairs, Fisheries and Agriculture, Dr the Hon Natalio D. Wheatley (R7) has agreed with Hon Fraser, while Deputy Speaker, Hon Neville A. Smith (AL) has called for it to be sent to a Special Select Committee of the Whole House.

The Police Act, 2019 received its Second Reading at the Twelfth Sitting of the Second Session of the Fourth House of Assembly of the Virgin Islands at Save the Seed Energy Centre in Duffs Bottom, Tortola, today, July 10, 2020.

Presenter of the bill, Premier and Minister of Finance, Honourable Andrew A. Fahie (R1) in his brief introduction said: “We all know from time to time there is a need to update legislation that governs law enforcement bodies. There are many areas of the Police Act that needs updating and needs to be modernised,” Hon Fahie said.

Concerns

Meanwhile, Hon Fraser was taken aback that Premier Fahie was so brief about the bill, adding that the bill seeks to repeal and replace the Police Act Cap 165.

Off the bat, Hon Fraser said it is imperative the people know what this replacement is, “not just us but the public. The public should have a say in what this bill is going to be.”

Going through the objects and reasons of the bill, Hon Fraser raised a number of concerns including for discipline in the force, pointing out that the Commissioner, Deputy Commissioner and Assistant Commissioner would escape trial for offences against discipline and that officers convicted in a court for grave or repeated offences would face demotion or charge.

“Unless he was convicted by a court for speeding there should be no reduction of rank, they should be fired. It’s a police officer we talking about.”

Hon Fraser also raised an issue with the bill allowing police officers to return to the force after serving time in prison.

No immunity for police acting under a warrant- Hon Fraser

Calling it a troubling issue, Hon Fraser said Clause 185 of the bill provides immunity for police officers acting under the authority of a warrant.

“Really? Absolute immunity Mr Speaker?...What does immunity mean here in this particular clause? The vilest offender, Mr Speaker, until proven guilty in a court of law has rights and a police officer cannot have total immunity acting under a warrant, going in a person’s house and do what they want and say they acting under a warrant and they have immunity.”

Hon Fraser argued it was different from telling a Member of the House he has immunity because all he can do is use words and he is doing it in broad daylight where everyone can see him.

Legislators not Governor should make regulations for Force- Hon Fraser

Clause 192, according to Hon Fraser, gives the Governor the power to make regulations for the good order and governance of the service. According to the senior Member, that is the duty of legislators.

“I know he is the head of the force, Mr Speaker. I know they report to him as the person responsible for security but the laws they should be following should be coming from us.”

Hon Fraser emphasised that the Police Act, 2019, is intense and has a lot of weight as it is a document that is intended to repeal and replace the current Police Act and that 99 percent of the people don’t know what is in it.

Public consultations

“That 99 percent has a grand opportunity now to shape the laws that govern the police of this Territory,” Hon Fraser said, adding that the current act is about 30 to 40 years old and the public had no opportunity to shape that.

“And that’s why I am suggesting very strongly to the Premier that the direction this bill is taking right now, the form it has taken on, that he redirects it to a form of public consultation. This bill belongs in the public domain for consultations, in order that people can voice their opinion, offer their suggestion, and like all good governments do, listen to the people and take advice.”

There must be balance between police powers & civilians’ rights- Dr Wheatley

Meanwhile, Dr Wheatley also described the bill as a weighty one and which requires special attention and public consultation.

He said he is aware the act needs updating as there are many things that the current act did not take into account; however, there must be a balance between the power of the police and the rights of civilians.

Dr Wheatley said it is “not nice” to live in a society where persons have to fear those commissioned to serve and protect and that it was important the Virgin Islands does not allow its police force to get to that place.

He said he noted some occurrences during the COVID-19 lockdown where persons were being tased and said attention must be paid to that and to ensure that police brutality and police misconduct do not become a norm in the Territory.

Dr Wheatley also agreed there is a need for the bill to be committed to a special committee of the HoA to go through it clause by clause.

Earlier, Hon Neville A. Smith (AL) had called for the bill to be placed in a Standing Select Committee of the Whole House and it was promptly seconded by Dr Wheatley; however, the debates were allowed to continue.

17 Responses to “‘A police officer cannot have total immunity acting under a warrant’- Hon Fraser”

  • tzrtrzrzr (10/07/2020, 17:13) Like (21) Dislike (0) Reply

    . I have a gut feeling that something bad is going to happen...

  • trrefdrfds (10/07/2020, 20:25) Like (19) Dislike (0) Reply
    Truth is some sell us out for profit (ndp) and some sell us out to save themselves (Fahie)
  • We in trouble (10/07/2020, 20:30) Like (13) Dislike (0) Reply
    Thank you Hon. Frazer and Hon. Wheatley for looking out for the people of the Virgin Islands. If our representatives fall asleep on the job we will be wose off than we were during slavery. It is not everybody who laugh and march with you have your back..
  • mercy (10/07/2020, 22:15) Like (2) Dislike (0) Reply
    Hmmm mercy
  • hog city (11/07/2020, 00:51) Like (13) Dislike (0) Reply
    Fraser is the man to represent all ah we
  • To much power (11/07/2020, 05:26) Like (4) Dislike (0) Reply
    we don't have here higher attouriety than the police force it self other than the governor.....too much power for one man ...this the road backwards not forward my people..this the ingredients for corruption
  • hellboy (11/07/2020, 07:59) Like (2) Dislike (0) Reply
    Welcome to the new world order
  • Diaspora (11/07/2020, 08:14) Like (5) Dislike (0) Reply
    The VI is a full local self-governing Overseas Territory (OT). No, this is a farce and a charade. Power is shared with the Crown with the Crown being responsible for external affairs, defence, internal security, RVIPF, jail(shared responsibility), civil service and judiciary; local government, the rest, including finance. Slavery was about exploitation through fear, control and power. Take a peek back at history and notice that there is a litany of Her Majesty’s Prisons but what is glaringly absent are no Her Majesty’s High Schools or tertiary education institutions. This is not by accident and is consistent with the control plan. Take a close at the roles and responsibilities and who has the control——Crown. Further, the Governor, the de facto head of state, has disproportionate and tremendous and almost dictatorial reserve powers. Furthermore, the Guv has to assent all bills passed by the HOA. Who has the power and control? A serious constitutional review is needed soonest. The VI needs more autonomy similar to the crown dependencies of the Isle of Man, Guernsey and Jersey.

    The mission of the police is to serve and protect. The police already has tremendous tools and leverage to carry out the police power to serve and protect. Currently, the scale is not balance in regards to police v. citizens. Total qualified immunity would tilt the scale even further in favor of the police. This total tool would give the police the power to brutalize people and violate their with complete immunity. This uncheck power will manifest into a rogue force. Police needs to be held responsible and accountable for actions violating established police rules. Citizens must have trust in the police, not fear it. Agree with Hon Neville “Sheep” Smith (At L) and Hon Natalio “Sowande Uhuru” Wheatley (R7) in request to send bill to a Select Committee. Also agree with Hon Julian “Liberator” Fraser (R3) concerns about the bill weaknesses. Waiting to hear from Hon Sheeren Flax-Charles(At L), Hon Carvin Malone (At L) and Hon Mark “Action Man” Vanterpool (R4). Very surprise with the Hon Premier Andrew “Bomber/Rattler” Fahie (R1) casual approach to such a heavy, monumental and consequential bill. Unconventional you say!

    Moreover, the VI friendly neighbor to the north—-USA—-is engulfed with long-standing police brutality of Blacks. And police qualified immunity is also a vexing issue. There are heated battle lines drawn over the issue. If the VI were a majority White jurisdiction, the UK would not be so quick to institute such a bill. What does the Falkland Islands have?So the VI just cannot gloss over the issue as if it is a routine bill. This bill requires due diligence and all the time needed should be taken to get it right. Hold police accountable fir their crimes. They are not above the law. The US Supreme Court just affirm that President Donald Trump is not above the law; he is a president, not a king.
  • Si (11/07/2020, 08:14) Like (5) Dislike (1) Reply
    Hon. Fraser is still an asset to the HOA. He raised valid questions.
  • KLAYTO (11/07/2020, 09:55) Like (7) Dislike (0) Reply
    THE PREMIER IS TRODDING ON DANGEROUS GROUNDS. THIS ACT WILL LEAN THE BVI TOWARD A "POLICE STATE." HOW CAN YOU GIVE THE POLICE ABSOLUTE IMMUNITY WHEN THEY ARE ACTING UNDER WARRANT. DOES THE ISSUANCE OF A WARRANT TO THE POLICE GIVES THEM THE RIGHT TO CIRCUMVENT THE RIGHTS OF ANY CITIZEN? WILL THIS ACT IMPINGE THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS OF THE ORDINARY MAN? THE BILL, IS IT STANDS, IS AMBIGUOUS AND DANGEROUS. WHAT IS THE REDRESS IF A CITIZEN FEELS AGREIVED BY THYE ACTIONS OF THE POLICE ACTING UNDER A WARRANT.
    • Really... (13/07/2020, 08:42) Like (1) Dislike (0) Reply
      Completely agree, this is dangerous and will be abused. Accountability should be there for all, are we not learning anything from the BLM movement in the USA, the police should be held accountable for their actions, they are there to Protect and Serve us.
      This is a complete infringement of the BVI constitution.
  • Eyes to see (11/07/2020, 14:36) Like (4) Dislike (0) Reply
    Anerica is fighting to make police accountable while the Virgin Islands is moving in the opposite direction. After certain tazer incidents and the action taken against Elton It seemed like a warning that this is where it was heading but a lot of us is too blind to see or maybe we see but we do not want to believe what we see. With expats from the other islands riled up against locals while at the same time so many policemen are expats coupled with this law it means that the police will abuse the locals and get away with it. A glaring case of black on black. Then it will come acros as it's their own blacks doing it to them. We fighting against each other so much for the dollar, we cannot see any further. We need to learn to love and respect each other and stop being so devisive. United we stand or devided we will fall.
  • Local (11/07/2020, 14:39) Like (3) Dislike (6) Reply
    We need this to passed in this month also.
  • it (11/07/2020, 17:13) Like (2) Dislike (3) Reply
    Look like all of you want to run the country Mr freser have his turn he is for the wh**t folks
  • hellboy (11/07/2020, 17:40) Like (2) Dislike (0) Reply
    Welcome to North Korea LOL
  • Really... (13/07/2020, 08:38) Like (3) Dislike (0) Reply
    Complete immunity under a warrant, I think NOT. Everyone should be held accountable for the actions civilians and police alike. You can be breaking down doors and harassing people as you like with a warrant with no aoountability.
  • ReX FeRal (14/07/2020, 07:35) Like (0) Dislike (0) Reply
    As bad as the attitude of some police towards local people and even some of their fellow country men is. NOT THIS BILL


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